Vuz
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Post by Vuz on Mar 12, 2004 17:57:58 GMT -5
Being nicey nicey as I can ----- It can be said that our board has failed this great old club over the last 2 years. We could say worse but the people that matter don't listen and have their own agenda anyway, so what's the point.
Stevie's gone, the team are playing the worst football not only seen but Shire fans in living memory, but by anyone who cares to watch us in the uk. So it was all Stevie's fault ? Perhaps not.
I give you Alan J Mackin.
It would be wrong of me to "pick" on anyone who has not had the right to defend themself but then the East Stirlingshire Football and Athletic Club currently has no-one of elected position who is willing to publically stand up for the club as their elected position demands. So just who is left to fight for the club and it's great history ?
I challenge any Shire fan at this moment to have any, and I mean any, positive vibes about our club's future. Fans of other clubs believe that they have hit rock bottom but we know different. This is as bad as it gets as a fan unless you club dies or is killed (Meadowbank Thistle, Clydebank, Thrd Lanark etc).
So the club is in a "not good" position and no-one but the Shire fans cares. So what do we do? Do we boycott games as some would suggest ? (the board have certainly shown this way by boycotting Shire games home & away over the last 2 seasons - obviously not 'cos the team were bad but for other reasons yet unfathomable). The boycott only works if people turn up to be offended by the boycott - so the point is ? Other options, well these can be explored but ultimately how could the current Shire support let down the club in it's worst ever hour of need ?
Suggestions to what the Shire fans can do from here are welcome.
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Post by erzsebet bathory on Mar 12, 2004 18:13:27 GMT -5
What we can do is enjoy all the away games while we can as nothing lasts forever. Train trips included. In reality, what can you do about someone who doesn;t care about something and doesn't even bother to make the effort to turn up. Reality is the club will fold and all the fans will drift away to do Saturday shopping, DIY, housework, AA meeting etc etc while the people who kill the club will be rich and plotting to kill some other business and make more money. That's life. Get over it Vus. Enjoy it while you can is what I say. If we could, some of my ancient torture methods would go down a treat on the people at fault don't you think. The "iron virgin" contraption would be a good one.
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Post by Strumps on Mar 12, 2004 18:35:32 GMT -5
The "iron virgin" contraption would be a good one. Is that something like the iron lung but only a bit worse ? If it is I really don't want to know any more.. derby game coming up and all that.
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Post by Ramz on Mar 12, 2004 18:44:27 GMT -5
There are some things that could be done (admittedly not many) - but I`m not going to discuss them on an open forum like this one. The main thing we must do is to keep supporting our team and comming to games - enjoy it while you can as liz bathory says - you never really know exactly how things will work out in the long run.
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Post by Gull on Mar 14, 2004 16:05:59 GMT -5
There are some things that could be done (admittedly not many) - but I`m not going to discuss them on an open forum like this one. I agree - we could say a few things on this topic but I think it would be foolish to discuss all but the more general points on an open forum.
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Post by Strumps on Mar 15, 2004 14:44:12 GMT -5
With Bill Leckie's column about the Shire in today's Scottish Sun the media heat has started again.
Hopefully the board get the fully attention that they deserve and that even they are embarssed into doing something about the future of our club on all fronts.
The supporters do have a huge role to play in this as well. If we say nothing then aren't we just condoning the board's ineptitude.
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Post by Ramz on Mar 16, 2004 14:48:57 GMT -5
Hopefully the board get the full attention that they deserve and that even they are embarssed into doing something about the future of our club on all fronts. The supporters do have a huge role to play in this as well. If we say nothing then aren't we just condoning the board's ineptitude. Yes I agree with this. We should make comment on the things our club does wrong, either deliberately or by accident. We should also highlight anything our club does right - however I get the feeling this will be an easy number to keep track off!
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Post by Daniel Studley on Mar 17, 2004 13:53:55 GMT -5
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Post by erzsebet bathory on Mar 20, 2004 12:23:26 GMT -5
I think the league should investigate him for deliberatly running down a football club. What he's doing must be illegal. Either that or kneecap the B*****d
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Post by grahamston on Mar 20, 2004 13:08:45 GMT -5
Hi all.
I've dribbled about this in Elliots to Drummond and others before, but a good step would be to set up a Trust. BairnsTrust would give you all the help you needed and Supporters' Direct would pay for it.
I, and other F*****k fans, would join and support you, as we're nerry too keen on Mr Mackin either, especially after his efforts to scupper Westfield.
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Post by Ramz on Mar 20, 2004 14:04:47 GMT -5
.... a good step would be to set up a Trust. BairnsTrust would give you all the help you needed and Supporters' Direct would pay for it. I, and other F*****k fans, would join and support you, as we're nerry too keen on Mr Mackin either, especially after his efforts to scupper Westfield. Thanks for your interest and kind offer grahamston, a supporters trust is something we have been carefully pondering for some time now. We are still at the stage of working out if it would be of enough benefit to the `Shire supporters or not - many things to consider!
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Post by Gull on Mar 20, 2004 16:30:31 GMT -5
I think the league should investigate him for deliberatly running down a football club. What he's doing must be illegal. The club, over the last 2 seasons has been run down, there`s no doubt about it Liz and the effects are there for all to see. I`m not sure it`s illegal but it IS against the spirit of competitive sport - all teams should be striving as hard as they can (within their means) to achieve the greatest amount of success they can. The Shire are not doing this. We know that directors are not raising money to put into the team (some have said they are taking it out - oooh, contoversial!) but are taking the Scottish league block grant (I think this has been cut recently but is still about £70K a year) and paying as little to the players as they can get away with. In the last financial year they brought in the grand total of £500 of sponsorship - wow! (That would probably run my car for around a year!) Those in charge of our club (Mackin & his chums on the board) are taking advantage of the fact that you can`t be relegated from the 3rd division and have decided to sit at the bottom of the league and not even try to seriously compete - it`s a f**king disgrace! Maybe a better route would be to refer to the trade discriptions act and have them done for impersonating a football club and it`s board of directors!
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Post by wellibob on Mar 20, 2004 16:39:57 GMT -5
well said gull. They aren't even turning up to get slagged for the embaressmant they've caused on the park. Cowards the lot of them. Only in it for a quick buck.
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Post by grahamston on Mar 20, 2004 18:39:39 GMT -5
As I said, we stand ready to help, if you think it necessary.
It's clear to a lot of us, Shire fans or not but still F*****k residents, that the club isn't being ran that enthusiastically. I mean, who'd publicise the fact that they were paying their players less than minimum wage?
If the theory that some in power remain involved purely because of Firs Park's land value (and I stress that I have no evidence to suggest this to be true, other than pub talk), then your support would come from a much wider base than just the club's supporters.
I honestly don't think that the football authorities can or will do anything about it. Their powers and their will are limited. I mean, look at what the SPL are doing, unfettered!
The best safeguard must be for people with the club's interest at heart to control enough shares to prevent any asset stripping. A Trust would be the best vehicle for that, and I've got a hundred quid that'll be happily invested in such a vehicle if it meant preventing any hostile moves to Bellshill, East Kilbride or anywhere else.
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Dugless
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Post by Dugless on Mar 22, 2004 7:36:51 GMT -5
I've been convinced that a Trust is the way to go for Shire fans for some time now but I don't think there is the will to get involved. I sense that there is a lot of support from outside that could be used to help. I don't think that doing nothing is an option that can any longer be sustained. We know that Mackin has no interests in the club other than getting as much money as he can for his very small investment. Fortunately for Shire fans he and his cronies are incompetent and appear to have no way, at present, to monetise the ground. This situation will not last forever and somebody sometime will offer enough for Mackin to pocket his cash and bug**r off leaving the Shire without any collateral and doomed to disappear like teh other old names in Scottish football.
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